Friday, September 24, 2010

5 Themes of Theology of The Body I would like explained further

I have been thinking a lot about areas of Theology of The Body that I would like to understand on a deeper level. There are many. However, some of the areas are important to the extent that if there is confusion, the entire body of work can be misunderstood. Here are just five areas that I would love to see explained further, with subtopics I would like explained in context if they do relate at all.

1. Sex as a Noun

a) Redemption of the Body
8:23 Romans
b) As a truth expressing “The Beginning” the Ontological man and (TOB 46:6) Called in that truth, what does the body reveal?
c)Spousal Meaning of the Body
who man is
who woman is
who they are reciprocally one for the other in the work of creation
1) Freedom occurs to concupiscence of heart
(Freedom of that spiriutal state and power that derive from
mastery over the concupiscence of the flesh.
2) (TOB 46:6) Spousal in regard to the last sentence in TOB 46:5, “the
supreme value, which is love, dignity of person, expressed through
reciprocal relations of man and woman.
2. Sex as a Verb
3. Lust
1. Relate desire inside of this
2. Discuss the ramifications of Lust and concupiscence being translated from the original text.
4. Theology of Concupiscence
1. Three Fold Concupiscence, we need a solid language
1. Define all three
1. Nietzschean hermeneutics, concupiscence of the heart
2. Marxist Hermeneutics, Concupiscence of the eyes
3. Freudian hermeneutics, Concupiscence of the flesh
1. Is this carnal concupiscence?
2. Relate “Remedy or Relief of Concupiscence to this to further clarify lust
and mature purity.
3. Is “Pride of Life” saying that the trinity and it's truth is replace with
the me, myself and I trinity?
4. Unfold scripture John 2:15-16 and Romans 8:23 in light of this clarification
of language.
5. Does the quote “The words of Christ testify that the original power (and thus also the grace) of the mystery of creation becomes fro each one of them the power (that is the grace) of the mystery of redemption. Mean that the cross provides the power and grace to redeem the body in such a fullness that we can be healed in one or more areas of the 3 fold concupiscence? Can we be freed from one or more of the 3 forms of concupiscence if indeed we can say that there are 3?
1. If God is a trinity and a relationship are we as well a trinity of body, soul, and intellect/free will? Would it make sense that there would be concupiscence in these three separate areas, of the body, the soul (heart) the intellect/will (our eyes and what we choose to put into it? Perhaps we are not giving credence to the fact that only through continence (motivated by love) can allow us to heal the concupiscence of the eyes which are the window to the soul and in looking away we do not allow into our souls/hearts the opportunity to lust. So it is not only continence but also it is freedom and healing that must in union be embraced so that we can be healed in these areas?
5. Mature Purity
To include discussion of (46;6) “a vision of man's possibilities”. Important that precisely in his heart he does not feel himself irrevocably accused and given up tot he concupiscence of the flesh but that in the same heart he feels himself called with energy.” (Is energy here referring to the power and grace available to us through the redemption of Christ on the cross or what is he referring to here?

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Prayer When They Slander You

I ask that we all pray this prayer to be enlightened by the Holy Spirit so that His Divine will be done and not our own.

Prayer When They Slander You
Leanne Payne

April 1, 1998

When I seemed to be getting nowhere in [one spiritual] battle, I finally cried out in desperation, "Lord, what and how am I to pray for my enemies? Those beloved ones who slander me and the work you've given me to do?"

Several days later, as I was praying, [God gave me a blueprint for prayer in this situation.] It contains sound principles that everybody seems to need once the battle is joined:

1. Pray that the eyes of all who surround these persons be opened to see the situation as it really is.

2. Pray that their associates will be given ways to speak truth and light into the situation.

In these first two steps, we are praying for godly illumination and wisdom for the persons who can minister truth and peace into the situation, while at the same time we are praying for their safety We are asking that these stable people be spared from getting caught up in the dark net of spiritual confusion and deception—a very present danger in spiritual warfare—and that they be enabled to aid others who are ensnared.

As I meditated on these first two ways of prayer, the Lord greatly ministered the story of David and Goliath to me, this truth from 1 Samuel 17:47 in particular: "… it is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves; for the battle is the Lord's."

I then asked, "Jesus, what is the smooth stone, slung at your command, that will stop the Goliaths of envy, slander, murderous hate—all that is the enemy of your cross, your message?"

And immediately I heard in my spirit, "Truth, truth will out—it will hit the mark."

Then the following instruction is what caused us to name this way of interceding the "paint-the-dragon-red" prayer:

3. Pray that any demonic power within these persons or within these situations manifest itself— that it may be clearly discerned and seen by all the people.

C. S. Lewis has rightly said that "Love is something more stern and splendid than mere kindness." This is terribly hard on the "beloved enemy," but it is the only way he will be healed. In answer to this prayer, God causes the real enemy of all our souls to be revealed for all to see.

There will, of course, always be some unwilling to see and repent. They blind themselves by continuing to rationalize their sin.

When this happens, we invoke and practice the Presence of God and find that, "Wherever Jesus is, the storms of life become a calm." We find also that he is doing a work within ourselves that could never have been done apart from the disciplines learned through sustained spiritual warfare.

After this third point, the Lord quickened 1 Samuel 14:15 to me. I saw that Jonathan and his armor-bearer, only two men, put the entire Philistine army to flight as they fought for God's people. They stepped out in faith, speaking the word of truth, and the Lord worked with them: "Then panic struck the whole army … and the ground shook. It was a panic sent by God."

There is an illusory nature to evil. It attempts to win through bluff—through puffing itself up to horrendous size. One word of truth, spoken in the power of the Holy Spirit, solid as a rock and splendid as eternity, flies swift as the surest arrow to puncture evil's swelled balloon of lies, posturing, and bravado.

The fourth step the Lord gave in this "paint-the-dragon-red" prayer is ever so important. It underlines the fact that our battle is against sin and not against the sinner:

Ask that what can be salvaged in this situation and in the live of your opponents be saved, humbled, blessed by the Spirit of God.

With this, I wrote out these instructions from the Lord:

Pray for the health, the wholeness, of your enemies. Pray for the salvaging of all that is good, beautiful, and true within them. I do a great work, one that will amaze you. Be at rest now from all that besets, offends, attacks—love, write, pray, live in peace in my Presence. Enter the timelessness of my joy and peace.

Thursday, September 16, 2010

10 Themes of Dawn Eden Set Straight

The “ten themes” chosen by Ms. Eden to correspond to what she believes are Mr. Christopher West is actually saying or teaching are listed below. However, it is my claim that Ms. Eden fails to thoroughly consider his complete position on various issues, and does not fully take into account his major work. Here are just some of my opinions on these ten things, you can read a more detailed analysis here:

10 major themes

1. The TOB is an all-encompassing theology that requires theologians and religious educators to re-contextualize everything about Christian faith and life.
In a sense theology of the body does give us a new lens in which to view everything about our Christian faith and our lives. Because we are made male and female, something that the theology of the body tries to express to us in a deeper and more profound way we can not help in a new context. To use the word require, implies that Mr. West has made some kind of insistence Ord declaration when in fact Mr. West always invites. It would be prudent for Ms. Eden to reframe this statement.
TOB is all-encompassing when we are discussing our lives because we live our lives in and through our bodies. We are made in the image and likeness of God and therefore church teachings have always told us that we are not to reject the body. As a matter of fact we live out our Christian faith through our bodies when we participate in the sacraments. Sacraments are an outward sign of an inward grace received in our souls.

2.The sexual revolution was a happy fault.
This sentence is misleading. To say Adam's sin was a happy fault, is to actually say how great he redeemer are we have found in Christ Jesus. The statement oh happy fault, is an exclamation of the greatness of our God to our brokenness and redeem it. To say the sexual revolution was a happy fault is to say that Pope John Paul II looked upon the brokenness of men and women reaching for completion in sexual sin and out of his desire to heal their brokenness he dedicated his life to bringing the teachings of theology of the body to the world. I fail to see where there is an error in this.

3.Two contrasting means of satisfying hunger. Dumpster versus banquet.
Here if Ms. Eden even understands that the human desire for love is definitely a need and not a want. Ms. Eden does not understand that what they really want is the love that only God can give them. However, because of our brokenness we may miss or Mark and reach for the very thing that keeps us eating out of a dumpster, to use Mr. West analogy. Hunger, understood in this way is actually our desire to receive the love of God and to reciprocate that love with God, in other words our desire for communion with God. When Mr. West talks about us eating out of a dumpster or eating fast food is that because we all have the desire to love and to be loved or written on our hearts we will seek to fill that love in whatever way we understand it can be filled. Seeks to change our understanding of how that love is to be filled by revealing to us the banquet, or the pure love of God, exists and how to identify it.

4.The nuptial analogy is the primary means by which the faithful should understand their relationship to God and nuptial is to be envisioned in sexual terms.
One of Ms. Eden's largest errors as a verb when many times Mr. West is referring to sex or sexual as a noun. The nuptial analogy allows the faithful to understand the differences and complementarity of the masculine and feminine. By looking at how gives it self to woman we can understand something about the very nature of being male and female. This is not talking about sexual intercourse the receptivity of woman and the call to serve in the masculine. Are called to serve and to receive, the theology of the body goes into these roles of male and female on a much deeper level to reveal a truth about our call to live out her femininity or our masculinity as well as it reveals something about the very essence of who and what God is. When we talk about the nuptial analogy we are not referring to the base minimal act of sexual intercourse but rather we are talking about the complementarity of men and women made in the image and likeness of God with differences that will reveal many things to us. We must be clear the word sacks or sexual is immense to reveal a deeper truth about male and female not intercourse between the sex of male and female.

5. The whole reality of the church's prayer and sacramental liturgical life is modeled on the union of spouses.
All of the sacraments and the Catholic Church are experienced a spiritual way intellectual way through our will. Ms. Eden must understand that the analogy of the nuptial union is pointing to the fact that we are made male and female. Being male or female is a physical reality it is a spiritual reality and did these things do affect the receptivity of our souls. We are a relationship within our own individual selves. That relationship is intellect or will our souls and our physical bodies. We are not just a body we are not just a soul we are not just an intellect or will but a relationship of all three of these things. This points to a higher truth of God. God is God the father they give her of all life is God who receives the love of the father and reciprocate that love back to the father the holy spirit is the fire of love that burns between the persons of the father and the person of the son creating a third person in the holy Trinity. God is the relationship of persons. God is not just the father God is not just the sun god is not just the Holy Spirit. When we understand thisthe whole reality of the church's prayer in our sacramental life is understood in a beautiful way. To say the sacramental liturgical life is modeled on the union of spouses is actually saying of the inter-connection between male and female or masculine and feminine the relationship of persons and their relationship within ourselves and those around us.

6. The Joy of sex in all its orgasmic grounder is meant to be a foretaste in some way of the joys of heaven.
I only have three words to say; “God is love” by Pope Benedict the XVI. Read it.

7. God created sexual desire as the power to love as he loves.
In her understanding of sexual desire this would be a faulty assumption. Sexual desire when understood as sex of being a noun, is a gift given from God so that we may love as he loves. To say God created the feminine heart and with in it ability to connect to the world through this femininity to love in a way that God loves would not be denied. To say that God created the masculine heart with the ability to connect to the world through his masculinity to love in a way that God loves would not be denied. This is what Christopher West teaches. This is what Pope John Paul II teaches.

8. Mature purity enables liberation from Concupiscence.
The fault here lies in Ms. Eden's understanding of what mature purity is. She somehow thinks that Mr. West feels that persons within opportunities to fall or into occasions of sin so that they may grow into mature purity when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. What West has always tried to share within his presentations reveals that lies within the cross. Christ can read D- and has come to steal our brokenness. Theology of the body challenges us to grow it in mature purity past learning custody of the eyes and beyond it. What Pope John Paul II reveals is that through the grace of God through the redeeming p ower of Christ on the cross we can grow in mature purity to a point where we can look upon ourselves not only as our bride but as our sister bride. The point can be made that in a dating relationship if a man struggles with the desire to use the other as an object to satisfy sexual desire that being married will not suddenly allow him to be free from judgment in this area. God sees into the inner workings of our hearts can only objectify that to which he is betrothed than marriage will not suddenly and miraculously change that heart. Although sexual union between husband and wife is not committing fornication or premarital sex, there still will lie judgment on his heart for object defined his spouse if he can not learn to enter more deeply into giving himself as a gift and receiving the gift of his wife as more than just a means to an end.

9.The song of songs is of great importance to a proper understanding of Christianity.
The song of songs is of great importance to proper understanding of masculine and feminine. For those of us who have been abused for those of us who have not seen the purity of love and desire they can be reciprocated between men and women we see in the song of songs we see in the song of songs the purity of heart that we are all capable and called to. Building upon this understanding of masculine and feminine we see a call to holy Communion. We see a relationship of persons. All of these things point us to our Creator. Building on this understanding we begin to understand as a relationship of persons that we too must engage our physical bodies are intellect and free will as well as our sole to receive the graces of which God has in store for us. Building on this understanding we we can see how the Catholic church is the one true church they can satisfy all of these truths. We see that God seeks to have a physical relationship with us and that is demonstrated through the physical reception of the sacraments. These are the foundations of our Christian faith. God desires to have a spiritual relationship with us that his wife to the physical reception of the sacraments they become a conduit of grace that flow in to our souls. The song of songs offer a great importance to those who receive it because our wills can be more properly engaged and submitted to the will of God because we see the lover and the beloved in their wholeness and their completeness. We see in the songs of songs. Purity of heart. Through the reading and contemplation of the song of songs the desire to submit our will to that of God's will for our lives can be fufilled. It is a piece of the puzzle so to speak.

10. The meaning of marriage in encapsulated in intercourse.
Not only does Pope John Paul II say that the marital embrace is an “enactment” of the sacrament, but so does St. Thomas. If the meaning of marriage is to give your life to another fully and freely, faithfully and fruitfully, then doe the marital embrace reveal all these same truths? What about a means of grace? Is the marital embrace a conduit of grace to grow in holiness? We are called to know God, does the marital embrace reveal something about God? We are called to Love God, do we learn to love as God loves when we give ourselves in the marital embrace fully, freely, faithfully, and fruitfully, learning to not use the other as an object? If the opposite of love is use then I would have to say yes. We are called to serve God to be with Him forever in Heaven. Does the marital embrace help us to grow in holiness as a means of receiving grace into our souls that we may one day be with Him in heaven?

I am not sure these 10

A point by point rebuttal to Dawn Eden's Thesis

Thank you Sister Lorraine for the incredible gift of time and energy you have dedicated to uncovering errors as well as revealing a better language for those of us who are trying to bring Theology of The Body to the world as well as learn to live through our own fiat.

I am so very grateful for you providing a forum on your blog for those of us who are looking for worthwhile discussion on this subject and I am sure that our labor will bear fruit for ages to come.

It seems there are many who, no matter how you try to encourage them to see truth, will refuse to see it. For those readers that are truly interested in discovering truth and helping others to discern where there is either error or confusion in all of this, I would like to make an observation. I have seen on many blogs that people are taking Ms. Dawn Eden's thesis at face value. The end result is that Mr. Christopher West's work is being impugned as well as the work of the Theology of The Body Institute.

It seems that the reason this is occurring is that people are not evaluating what they are reading critically. One way this can be remedied is by printing out Ms. Dawn Eden's thesis and then reading through her points line by line. If they use a copy of “Theology of The Body Explained” by Mr. Christopher West to read his words in full context as well as “Theology of The Body” Pope John Paul II (the revised edition has the necessary citations to make looking up exact areas referenced an option). In doing this, the reader will be able to see where Mr. West was or was not in error in his teaching on TOB based on JP2's original masterpiece.

It is a slower process than just reading something, making assumptions and then blogging about it but I believe it makes for more worthwhile discussions that are rooted in truth. For those dedicated to the truth and not merely slandering one another, it is worth it. I have actually found some areas where Mr. West could have used different words to express himself which I will provide later on.

In regard to your statement “My main point that I hoped to make clear is that Dawn's critique is not a fair and impartial one. It is incomplete and her bias is obvious from the way she writes in her thesis”. Is well substantiated. In fact, for anyone who looks up the footnotes will notice right away that many sentences quoting West are taken from multiple sources strung together. There has also been instances where her own opinion within the footnote which re-contextualizes the footnoted statement. The result is the addition of her bias, her comments are threaded throughout the thesis but they come across as if she is bringing to light errors in West's presentation.

Since I have already shared these with Ms. Eden personally and since I have also told her that I will continue to dialogue with her, let me share some examples;

FALSE: "The Theology of the Body Institute was founded to promote West's presentation".(see it here:

TRUTH: The Theology of The Body was founded in 2004 by David Savage,with the cooperation of speaker and author Christopher West and Matthew Pinto, founder of Ascension Press and

 FALSE: "The Theology of the Body Institute was founded to promote West's presentation".(see it here:

TRUTH: The mission of Theology of the Body Institute is to educate and train men and women to understand, live and promote the Theology of the Body.
FALSE:"At the time I wrote my thesis, West and the Theology of the Body Institute, which was founded to promote his presentation of the theology of the body” (emphasis mine) shared as fact by Dawn Eden's in her thesis "Toward a Climate of Chastity" 3rd paragraph under"Preface to the Third Edition
FALSE ACCUSATION: "..the Theology of the Body Institute, which West founded and directs" (emphasis mine) page four of Dawn's Thesis. She actually uses afoot note from a Zenit article (found here: to support this claim.
TRUTH: Dawn Eden sites the above article as a foot note to prove the validity of her statement. When I went to the actual article and read what it said, this is the quote I found from Cardinal Justin Rigali:
"We are convinced that John Paul II's Theology of the Body is a treasure for the Church, indeed a gift of the Holy Spirit for our time."Yet, its scholarly language needs to be 'translated' into more accessible categories if the average person is to benefit from it."To do this is the specific mission of the Theology of the Body Institute, and we believe that Christopher West, the Institute's popular lecturer and spokesman, has been given a particular charism to carry out this mission." No where in the article is there a reference that the Theology of The Body Institute was founded by West and under the direction of West.
TRUTH: Christopher West is simply the Institute's popular lecturer and spokesman, not the founder and director who founded the Institute to promote "his" interpretations of TOB to priest and layperson. This is an untrue statement in the thesis, the footnoted source used to prove this statement as a truth does not support the statement and it should be rephrased or retracted.
FALSE ACCUSATION: "you just have to know Christopher West to understand him" from Dawn Eden's thesis.
TRUTH: If Ms. Eden is going to write a Thesis which equates the Theology of The Body Institute and it's teachings with Mr. West and his teachings as well as say that Mr. West teaches a different Theology of The Body than that of what is presented in John Paul II's writings, then she must have accurate knowledge and proof of this.
Ms. Eden would have had to attended or viewed lectures, writings or video presentations from the Institute in which to base her material on. This is not the case. Ms. Dawn Eden has not attended any courses taught at the Theology of The Body Institute.
Ms. Eden has not viewed any video or listened to any taped presentations from the Institute as they are not recorded.

Ms. Eden has not read through the course materials as the manuals are not available to the public. They are available to course attendees only if she had some how gotten a hold of a manual, most of the course is lecture form with references to the manuals so this view would be incomplete.
Therefore Ms. Eden would not know what is or is not being taught there unless she has attended the courses. It is my assertion that Ms. Eden did not have any of this information to use when compiling her thesis and therefore her thesis would be lacking necessary information to prove most of her points.
I have attended 4 of the 5 courses given by the Theology of The Body Institute and Ms. Eden was not present in any of them. I have contacted past course attendees and facilitators and have confirmation that Ms. Eden has never attended a course taught at the Institute. Therefore, Ms. Eden can not know what is being taught there.
I purpose that in her 4th edition to her thesis that she exclude any references to the Theology of The Body Institute until she attends a course. Until then, she does not have sufficient knowledge to substantiate her claims. The courses are very inexpensive and there are scholarships available. Food and shelter, which is a cost of the retreat center and unrelated to the Institute in any way, are the most substantial cost but still very inexpensive for what you receive.

FALSE; “West condemns those who seek to avoid occasions of sin”. Ms. Eden states on page 43 of her thesis: "At a time when Catholic young adults overwhelmingly ignore Church teachings on premarital chastity (if they are aware of them at all), West's urging engaged couples to "accept the risk" rather than "lock up (their) freedom"107 lends credence to Schindler's concern that his "ambiguity" could lead to "dangerous imprudence in matters of sexuality."
TRUTH: Mr. West is merely stating that occasions of being alone do not and should not all be occasions of sin just because a couple would be alone.  If being alone always equates an occasion of sin, then the couple may not have their desires properly ordered. They may not love one another but merely desire one another.  (This will be part of my argument of lust in the heart later).

FALSE: Footnote 107 is used to support Ms. Eden's comment that West condemns those who seek occasions of sin and encourages engaged couples to “accept risk”.

TRUTH: Footnote #107 refers to TOB Explained, revised edition, 275 and reads as follows: "A couple who choose not to be alone together in order to avoid sexual temptation should be commended.  (This does not sound like West is condemning them.)  They should also be aware that they are called by Christ to a much deeper freedom". 

As for the comment of "accepting the risk" or "locking up freedom" West was not talking about risking sexual purity, rather this is the proper quote:

 "We are called to set our eyes on Christ, get out of the boat, and walk on water.  Many Christians, it seems, stay in the boat for fear of sinking if they were to get out.  This may seem like a "safer" approach.  We can't sink if we never leave the boat.  But neither can we walk on water. The truth of human life does not reside in the boat! It can only be found on the water amidst the wind and the waves-in the drama of putting faith to the test and learning to walk with our eyes set on the Lord.  Learning to love always involves risk.  (notice West is referring to love when he says risk is involved).  "There is nothing "safe" about it.  But it is better to get out of the boat and accept the risk of sinking than to lock up our freedom and throw away the key.  As with Peter, Christ says, "Come!" Yes, we might sink.  If we do, we have a merciful Savior ready to save us, as did Peter."
Clearly West was talking about Love, he was talking about growing in faith and true charity, not about placing our selves into occasions of sinful temptation.  Surely West did not mean that Christ was saying "Come!, go ahead and tempt sin.  West was referring to the risk of our hearts, the risk that we open them to love more purely. Her quote of "West's urging engaged couples to "accept the risk" is unfounded and the footnote used there seems to site her own opinion, rather than actual facts of what West was writing as the source in which to back up her claim.

 Her source is not a sound source. Anyone not taking the time to look up these things would believe them at their face value and this is the danger in her thesis.

If someone can provide a direct quote, in context please, in which West is urging engaged couples to accept the risk of occasions that they know would be sinful for them, please send them over to me as I would like to see evidence to this false accusation.

FALSE: On page 7 of Dawn's intro of 3rd edition to her thesis she says of West “He asserts that, because the human body is inherently holy and decent, the need for women to dress modestly exists only because many men are impure. Those who are tempted by the sight of immodestly dressed women have failed to make the effort to attain mature purity.”

TRUTH: West is speaking of lust in the heart not carnal concupiscence. There needs to be a language we can all agree on to understand that John Paul II spoke of different kinds of lust. He also spoke of “carnal concupiscence.

Page 107 of JP2's TOB 1/2 way down the page:
"It must be deduced from this that the "adultery in the heart", committed by the man when he "looks at a woman lustfully," means a quite definite interior act. "  He later goes on to say (same page bottom)
The pope also mentions that Christ uses the words "looks" to draw our attention to the eyes since the sense of sight is highlighted.  (Relevant to my point coming up)
If you go to JP2's TOB page 156 "Interpreting the Concept of Concupiscence"  in the first paragraph it says "Lust of the eyes is defined specifically as "adultery committed in the heart".  HERE IS WHERE IT IS CRUCIAL TO MATURE PURITY; "The moral evaluation of lust (looking lustfully), which Christ called adultery committed in the heart, seems to depend above all on the personal dignity itself of man and of woman.  This holds true both for those who are not united in marriage, and-perhaps even more-for those who are husband and wife." 

The pope goes on to say (bottom of same page 156) "Christ did not stress that it is "another man's wife," or a woman who is not his own wife, but says generically, a woman."
The reason this is important is that many people begin to believe that marriage has a 3rd purpose, which is relief of concupiscence. This is not an error in and of itself, however, when we begin to think that "relief" means that marriage legitimizes a desire to use his wife for pleasure, rather than burn and lust outside of marriage, then we have veered off course. It is my opinion that our understanding of marriage being a relief is better translated as remedy. In this way, we understand the marriage can heal lust of the heart as we become tranformed by grace. Although carnal concupiscence is something we will live with and fight against until our deaths, the concupiscence that tends to turn our hearts so that we "look" on others with lust, can be healed to that of being able to "look" with eyes of love. (Forgive me for not wording this correctly in a previous post on Sr. Lorraines blog. I have corrected my words for it was wrong of me to assume that this is what Ms. Eden believes. I thank Kevin for pointing this error out as he graciously did, for it was definitely worded to seem I was intending an attack on Miss Eden's character and I certainly did not mean to do this. I apologize with all my heart publicly and I will do so again privately to Ms. Eden).

Defenders of marriage being a “relief of concupiscence” often quote the tribunal on marriage from The council of Trent that refers to the marriage act being a "remedy for concupiscence" but John Paul II teaches us that remedy is meant to mean a healing and we should not mistake remedy to mean a relief.

To read what Christopher West's take is on this in his OWN words please go to Page 199 of TOB explained last paragraph under the subheading of "Concupiscence Habitually Threatens Love". West talks about how the Pope adds the word "almost" in the comment that "the human body has almost lost the power of expressing this love in which the human person becomes a gift" and then West goes on in pages 201-202 to use a much better analogy than the one in Dawn's Thesis  (page 40 of her Thesis). 

FALSE: If you look at Dawn's Thesis at the bottom of page 40 (3rd edition) at footnote # 93 Dawn say's here; “ West adds a footnote here: “See CCC, nos. 1768, 1770, 1775, 1968, 1972.” The sections of the Catechism that he cites concern the need to order the movements of the sense towards virtue, and the grace given by the New Law to enable the faithful to act virtuously. They do not, however, condemn those who seek to avoid occasions of sin, nor do they suggest that the proper way of enacting one's freedom in Christ is to risk occasions of sin" (emphasis mine as she as inserted her opinion in the footnote as a source).

TRUTH: West has never condemned those who seek to avoid occasions that they believe could be sinful to them and has never taught this. Her footnote to back up her claim does NOT PROVE her allegation. What is does do is declare her opinion and then she uses her own opinion as a source in the footnote to make a comment about something West has not said or done. 

FALSE: On page 42 of Ms. Eden's thesis says in regard of the account of Nonnus and Pelagia in The Desert Fathers, that the original story counters West's implications that casting a look of “mature purity” upon a “scantily clad prostitute” may cause her to notice the loving gaze and so discover God's love. Ms. Eden states in her thesis that not only does Pelagia not notice that Nonnus “looks” at her, but her conversion comes after wards.

TRUTH: John Paul II writes in TOB that “looking with the eyes” translates as “lust in the heart”. He goes into great detail educating us all that adultery or use of another person can happen in the heart without a physical action. When West shares that Pelagia does not notice that Nonnus “looks” at her, we must understand that is because Nonnus did NOT “look” at her. To “look” means in this parable and in the writings of concupiscence by John Paul II , of an objectification. “Look” in this context, means to transfer a “look” from the eyes to the heart. Nonnus did not “look” lustfully and in not “looking” thus, he did not allow lust to transfer to his heart. This is the whole point of the story.
FALSE: Ms. Eden goes on to say: “Most significantly, when Pelagia then writes to the Bishop and asks to see him, she agrees only on the condition that there be other Bishops present.” This is offers, is deliberately omitted by West because it would mean that St. Nonnus was insufficiently virtuous.
TRUTH: This demonstrates that one can, through mature purity, grow in love so that lust of the eyes, transferred to the heart, which is concupiscence from original sin, is different than carnal concupiscence or concupiscence of the flesh. The Bishop realized that “looking” upon her as he meets her on the street, and “looking” upon her in love is much different, then agreeing to meet her alone. He is acknowledging carnal concupiscence, something that West has never taught can be overcome.

FALSE: Ms. Eden also says that Nonnus's tears are not because “such beauty is being sold to the lusts of men, bur rather the bishop feels ashamed that the prostitute puts more efforts into her physical appearance than he puts into his spiritual appearance (soul) for God (this para-phrasing is mine).
TRUTH: This points to how beautifully this story relates to Theology of The Body. The Bishop is understanding the connection between the body and the soul! He weeps because he sees the connection between them. He is “seeing” her person in the moment that he discovers that her physical should match his spiritual. He is seeing a nugget of truth that is revealed in Theology of The Body.

FALSE: On page 44 of Dawns Thesis she says that “West emphasizes that a couple must advance beyond mere continence prior to marriage”. Then she claims West “chastizes” John Paul's instruction on growth in continence.

TRUTH: West talks about how just because a man and woman get married does not mean that their will not be guilt or even judgment from God for using the other person or even for committing adultery.  In the TOB, Pope John Paul II talks about adultery going from something that can occur physically between unmarried individuals (forgive my paraphrasing here) to something that can take place in a person's heart, a married person's heart and for their own spouse.  Lust can occur inside of marriage the Pope teaches us.  West shares that marriage is not a magic wand that suddenly makes an act of intercourse free from a person's desire to use another or to lust.  If God calls us to love then how can a man love his wife if he uses her?  In love and responsibility the Pope teaches us the opposite of love is not hate but use. How can two persons enter into the sacrament of Holy Matrimony if they do not LOVE each other? This is what West is alluding to.
This whole idea that marriage legitimatizes sex is not the full light of what I have just said it becomes so wrong.  I have seen how a man can grow in love to such a degree that he starts to step outside of himself and the marital embrace becomes not just a physical act of pleasure or use for pleasure but it becomes about entering into the other person and a mysterious moment that seems to make you both hover outside of your own self. 

 Before I go further, let me clarify that if two people know that they are not entering into the call to love the way they should but desire to grow in this way, that marriage and the marital act will be a means in which to heal them in this area, even if they struggled with the desire to "use" one another previous to the marriage.  The hearts acknowledgment of this "pull" and the hearts desire to heal it will be given grace through that marriage and the marital embrace.  However, if a couple desires to use one another for pleasure and they have a mentality of "I can't wait until we are married" because it is some how a magic wand that will make the sex act okay, this is a grave error and this is What West is speaking about.
I would say that any person's who diliberatly avoid all occasion of being alone together simply because they think being alone would make it an occasion of sin are missing the point of their love.  If just being alone together, constitutes an occasion of sin, then I would say the TOB would say that no love exists between these two persons and then West would be correct in saying that they should not marry.  
Here is an example: 
Lets say an engaged couple desired to go to adoration together, but seeing that this would place them alone together, they decide not to "risk" it for they believe they are being holy and pious by avoiding this "occasion" of sin, because after all, it would not be good to be alone together, regardless of where it was.  
Well, that would mean that the occasion of sin would be that they would desire an intimacy that would be sinful outside of marriage or provide an opportunity to be intimate in a way that they feel is not appropriate.  Well, this would make them no better than an animal.  Animals can not control themselves, they are ruled by instict or the body without a will or intellect to discern and choose.  However, we are not animals, we have the ability to discern what is good and impose that will on the flesh and choose the better good for sake of love. This is the freedom that Christ offers us.
When we love, truly love with mature purity, we can be in occasions of being alone without them having to be occasions of sin.  West never teaches that a couple MUST put themselves in occasions of sin, but rather occasions of being alone do not constitute occasions of sin.  This is key to where I see the misunderstanding. 
If a couple knew for a fact that a certain scenario would be an occasion of sin, then of course the couple should avoid that occasion.  Sadly, if being in adoration together would incite lust, then the couple should not be alone together, but a marriage would not legitimize their union of lust.... Just because they are married God will not sit back in heaven and say...yes my son, now that you have married her in church, have at her for her body is for you to use for pleasure, it is okay now because you are married, in fact have at it with my blessings.  This is how birth control has made it's way into marriage, by people misunderstanding the church’s teaching on the marital embrace.  There are people that think that marriage is a remedy for those who can not or think they do not have to control or heal their concupiscence, better to have sex with a wife than to burn right?
WRONG.  Remedy is not the same as relief.  Remedy is meant to be understood as a way of healing. 
 These are just SOME of the many errors I have found and a good place to begin.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010